tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7152221.post111917596581599875..comments2024-03-23T07:49:50.940-05:00Comments on The Middle Ground: Did You Ever Want To Tell Someone...Just Shut the Fuck Up!?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7152221.post-1119588370932406672005-06-23T23:46:00.000-05:002005-06-23T23:46:00.000-05:00I think the best commentary on the "trial" was Day...I think the best commentary on the "trial" was Day by Day. The one where Karl Rowe was bemoaning the fact his work was over,cause nothing he could do would make the Dems look more like northern portions of southern bound horses then what they were doing all by themselves....Big AlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7152221.post-1119579721084172042005-06-23T21:22:00.000-05:002005-06-23T21:22:00.000-05:00Crank...I've been attacked worse.The only person i...Crank...I've been attacked worse.<BR/><BR/>The only person i ever banned was somebody from the ME who made threatening remarks and called me the b word and the c word. Those things I don't jive with.<BR/><BR/>Tell me I'm full of crap AND why, I'm okay with it because I can refute. As you can see, cursing doesn't bother me. Just don't include calling me four letter words and we'll be fine.Kathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05208095650375780838noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7152221.post-1119576578386421242005-06-23T20:29:00.000-05:002005-06-23T20:29:00.000-05:00It still doesn't sound very middle to me and if yo...It still doesn't sound very middle to me and if you understand anything I've written you would take that as a compliment.<BR/><BR/>Hey, at least you didn't ban me like your friend Mike. And I didn't even get as nasty with him as I got here. You are definitely to the left of him and that's a good thing.Cranky Yankeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11559785167378930653noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7152221.post-1119566225635297162005-06-23T17:37:00.000-05:002005-06-23T17:37:00.000-05:00LOL, Kat!Time to break out the "L" word. That's "...LOL, Kat!<BR/><BR/>Time to break out the "L" word. That's "Lie," not "liberal." What you have is people trying to make a case, with no facts in their favor. So, they just say their thesis, fill in the blanks with the information, and roll on. What is offensive is the direct conflict between the rhetoric and the facts, even when they get the facts right. When lawyers do this, they not only lose their case, they get reamed by the judge. <BR/><BR/>Dick Durbin is like those idiots from Harvard that wrote The Bell Curve. He was trying to take information that disproved his thesis, and argue it anyway.<BR/><BR/>The thing that really annoys the hell out of me, and I have bothered to go to the original documents and video where possible -- is that everything I've read or watched -- everywhere -- shows that our military has behaved in an exemplary manner. <BR/><BR/>Exemplary, not perfect. The thoughtful policy, the discipline, the willingness to investigate, and to make straightforward, honest records are impressive. And the number of and character of the "bad" incidents is both low and mild, especially considering the size of the population involved. <BR/><BR/>For me, the Nazi comparison was not the worst of Dick Durbin's sins. The worst was his statement that this administration had "abandoned" the Geneva conventions. That was a lie. A big, fat, hairy whopper. <BR/><BR/>This administration analyzed the Conventions, determined, rightly, that terrorists have no rights under the Conventions, and ended up making a policy decision to treat them AS IF it applied, anyway. Furthermore, while the issue was up in the air, the executive branch required that any "rougher" treatment of prisoners had to be approved by the Secretary of Defense. That's right, Mr. Rumsfeld required that he himself would be on the hook for any rougher treatment of prisoners. (Which did not occur - no order was ever issued.) That was absolutely the right thing to do. All this information was more easily available to Mr. Durbin than to me, and his lie is inexcusable.<BR/><BR/>Then today, Nancy Pelosi has a letter in the Washington Post chastizing the Post for mischaracterising the position of congressional democrats. She says<BR/><BR/>"Democrats have repeatedly and unequivocally stated from the start of this debate that Social Security faces a long-term challenge that must be addressed. The claim that they fail to recognize this challenge is a Republican cannard that The Post should not indulge."<BR/><BR/>Considering the stories that have been in the Post, with their uncontested quotes, that statement is breathtaking in its audacity.<BR/><BR/>Damn it, I can just see myself being stuck with voting Republican again, next time. <BR/><BR/>So, keep at 'em. Nail 'em hard and heavy, with good research and stats, and either teach these damn fools to stick to the facts, or get them out of public life.<BR/><BR/>ValerieAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7152221.post-1119488486300413862005-06-22T20:01:00.000-05:002005-06-22T20:01:00.000-05:00Now look Kat, dont beat around the bush, say what ...Now look Kat, dont beat around the bush, say what you think :) :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7152221.post-1119440191546894912005-06-22T06:36:00.000-05:002005-06-22T06:36:00.000-05:00Cranky...shut the fuck up. Please. You're making...Cranky...shut the fuck up. Please. You're making an ass of yourself.<BR/><BR/>Personally, I have my own things I believe in and stand on. The difference is, I don't believe that Che Guevera or Noam Chomsky are Gods and I don't believe that God wants me to play with snakes to prove my penetents.<BR/><BR/>That's the point of "centric". It doesn't mean I don't stand on principles, it just means that I find the principles of the left less and less to my liking and there are a few folks (Jerry Falwell for instance) I could do without on the right.<BR/><BR/>Other than that, if you ever read here before, you'd know what my principles are.<BR/><BR/>America is a great country.<BR/>We're at war and shithead opponents who are elected officials and give the enemy talking points are tantamount to seditious, treasonous assholes that would have been shot in a different time.<BR/>I believe that women should have equal rights and be allowed in the military to serve as they can.<BR/>I believe that LEGAL immigration makes this country great and we should have more of it.<BR/>I believe taht illegal immigration is a crime, largely because the smugglers make money off of it.<BR/>I believe in equal rights for all people, regardless of race, religion, ethnicity, color, sexual orientation.<BR/>I support gays in the military. if they can make it through basic training, more power to them.<BR/>I think abortion sucks and I don't support it.<BR/>I think the ACLU sucks for trying to take religion, particularly christianity, out of the public square when we have spent years, perfectly fine, with it there without the government trying to enforce it upon anyone and more specifically because it is part of the heritage, the reason why we exist in the first place.<BR/>I think the military kicks ass.<BR/>I think we should kill terrorists where ever we can or exploit them for intel, however we can.<BR/>I don't believe in socialized medicine.<BR/>I think our schools could be better and the fault is with the parents and the local school boards, not lack of money.<BR/>I think I pay too much taxes.<BR/>I think capitalism and democracy are the basis of all freedom and any other system will fail eventually because it can never adapt like free markets.<BR/>I believe Freedom and Democracy belongs to all people.<BR/>I don't believe in "nuances".<BR/>I believe there are evil people in this world that shouldn't be allowed to breath the same air as I (ie, I believe in capital punishment).<BR/><BR/>When I say I am more "centric" I mean specifically that I believe more people believe as I do than either wing of the party.<BR/><BR/>That's the middle. We don't buy everything either party says, but we know what we believe.Kathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05208095650375780838noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7152221.post-1119397536858339652005-06-21T18:45:00.000-05:002005-06-21T18:45:00.000-05:00I get that. The comment you quoted was in respons...I get that. The comment you quoted was in response to Prick saying, "...hold a "midle ground" point of view..." Go back and read the comment prior to the one you quoted.<BR/><BR/>My earlier comments on the mythical "middle" were more or less in response to this, "my politics are more "centric" than a number of people I could name." from Kat and the concept of centrist politics.<BR/><BR/>Did you miss when I said, "I have no desire, <I>figuratively or literally</I>, to live in the <BR/>"middle." <BR/><BR/>So pay attention or shut the fuck up!Cranky Yankeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11559785167378930653noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7152221.post-1119372211000967612005-06-21T11:43:00.000-05:002005-06-21T11:43:00.000-05:00Cranky Yankee said: Your logic is about as bullsh...<B>Cranky Yankee said: Your logic is about as bullshit as telling people you occupy the mythical middlle ground.</B><BR/><BR/>Somehow I get the idea you're not really paying attention. The apellation "The Middle Ground" is geographical, not political. And trust me, it's not mythical, I live here, too...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7152221.post-1119307552667794182005-06-20T17:45:00.000-05:002005-06-20T17:45:00.000-05:00Dude said, "Crank, you're everywhere."yeah, includ...Dude said, "Crank, you're everywhere."<BR/><BR/>yeah, including a trip to ER yesterday with a broken arm.Cranky Yankeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11559785167378930653noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7152221.post-1119302087823082732005-06-20T16:14:00.000-05:002005-06-20T16:14:00.000-05:00Crank, you're everywhere.Crank, you're everywhere.That Dudehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18186963883126843896noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7152221.post-1119291841599733002005-06-20T13:24:00.000-05:002005-06-20T13:24:00.000-05:00Ahhh Kat, you just made my day. I just finished a ...Ahhh Kat, you just made my day. I just finished a post about almost the same sort of BS comming from the "Lost to Reality" Lefties. <BR/><BR/>Sometimes the absurd comments they make are so far out, you have to wonder if someone is feeding them mind altering drugs or something. <BR/><BR/>It seems "Cranky Yankee" has forgotten that you can hold a "midle ground" point of view on things, simply by listening to all sides, and reaching a compromise solution, but then, the left never seems to listen to anything but their own mad rambelings. <BR/><BR/>Anyways, just wanted to thank you for letting me know I was not the only one that wanted to scream STFU at the moronic moonbats out to destroy America, simply because it doesn't fit in with their fantasy world view.DCRockshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14407535131696528898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7152221.post-1119289168336401032005-06-20T12:39:00.000-05:002005-06-20T12:39:00.000-05:00Kat - "Did I strike a nerve or something?"Sort of,...Kat - "Did I strike a nerve or something?"<BR/><BR/>Sort of, but not so much in being told to STFU for espousing some of the positions you mention. It's one of my favorite expressions and one I often use it in a context similar to the one you describe. Although I may disagree with your stances, I agree with STFU. Quite frankly, I don't think it's used enough.<BR/><BR/>The nerve was probably struck by the title of your blog and its juxtaposition to the content. Note, I make no claim to occupy the middle ground or to being "centric". I have no desire, figuratively or literally, to live in the "middle." The middle or center is a place of no conviction. It's a place that isn't really occupied by anyone. Rather it is claimed to be by those, left and right, who are; not very strong in their convictions, really don't believe, want to be everything to everyone, are trying to hide their true selves or are making an effort to disassociate themselves from the more fringe elements of their own ilk by whom they are embarrassed. <BR/><BR/>Now to say that there is no center is not imply that there are no extremes. It's one thing to be anti-abortion, but advocating killing Doctors who perform abortions is an extreme. A bogus middle-ground view of the abortion issue is one that holds abortion wrong except in the case of rape or incest. That is an example of the moral relativism that exists in the "so called" middle ground. If killing an unborn child is wrong, than it is always wrong. It doesn't matter how that child was conceived.<BR/><BR/>So if you want to strike one of my nerves call me a "centric" or "middle-ground." There is a large segment of society by which I am proud to be rejected and many of them claim the middle ground.Cranky Yankeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11559785167378930653noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7152221.post-1119265305063539432005-06-20T06:01:00.000-05:002005-06-20T06:01:00.000-05:00Kat, you have it right again! I'm with you!Kat, you have it right again! I'm with you!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7152221.post-1119222998870208962005-06-19T18:16:00.000-05:002005-06-19T18:16:00.000-05:00Indigo...you're forcing me to say something I bare...Indigo...you're forcing me to say something I barely held in on the first rant. Now that I know that I am not the only person to think about it, I must say that every time I think about his name it makes me think "bad porn star name".<BR/><BR/>Dick Durbin...the biggest blow hard on the screen.Kathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05208095650375780838noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7152221.post-1119209101767021782005-06-19T14:25:00.000-05:002005-06-19T14:25:00.000-05:00Cranky...the middleground is where I live, not the...Cranky...the middleground is where I live, not the political landscape I occupy though I bet my politics are more "centric" than a number of people I could name.<BR/><BR/>Did I strike a nerve or something?<BR/><BR/>Mike...LOL the ASS program. I like it. There are so many to choose from.<BR/><BR/>John....It is hard to remain reasonable and "stoic" in the face of some commentary. Particularly after four or so years of being asssaulted with the same inflammatory rhetoric. That is the purpose of their commentary, is it not? To inflame? <BR/><BR/>And, while I generally believe that responding to inflammatory rhetoric in like manner is often unproductive, I feel that sometimes one must go to war in the same manner the enemy does. Plus, it's a great stress reliever.<BR/><BR/>Holding it all in can result in ulcers.<BR/><BR/>I feel all better now.Kathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05208095650375780838noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7152221.post-1119191859357086492005-06-19T09:37:00.000-05:002005-06-19T09:37:00.000-05:00You said it sister... I went out on a limb earlier...You said it sister... I went out on a limb earlier this week and said that anyone who compares Americans to Nazis, Soviets and Pol Pot IS UnAmerican and Unpatriotic...<BR/><BR/>I get so bugged by these socialist apologists for terrorists and genocide that come to my blog and cut and paste talking points from a Michael Moore web site.<BR/><BR/>We took a poll last week and the result was to ban one of the least intelligent lefties from commenting. It was fun.<BR/><BR/>Since we need to keep a few examples of these silly socialists around so people can see how empty and immature their politics are, I'm thinking of establishing a "Adopt a Silly Socialist" or ASS program.<BR/><BR/>Each blog could keep it's own ASS in a special cage where we could visit and tease them regularly.Mike's Americahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01262938295909490454noreply@blogger.com